GoT 32 - Not today..

1. Можем да направим извода, че решението на Джон да подвие коляно е политическа игра, а не е от любов или припознаване на Дани като по-достоен от самия него водач.

2. Става въпрос за изгарянето на Тарли. Спойлерът потвърждава, че това решение на Дани ще й коства много. Сам беше и човекът, който оркестрира избирането на Джон за лорд командир. Изглежда, че ще има и подобна роля, но този път за издигането на Джон като крал на Вестерос.

- Сам казва на Джон кой е всъщност и това е най-силната сцена в епизода. Другата най-силна сцена според човека, гледал премиерата, е вазимодействието между Сам и Денерис.
- Сам и Дани разговарят в библиотеката. Става въпрос за баща му след разговор за откраднатия родов меч и Дани му казва, че е отказал да й се поклони и затова го е убила. Сам казва, че сега спокойно може да се прибере вкъщи, когато брат му е лорд. Дани признава, че е убила и брат му и тогава вече на Сам му идва вповече (At this point Sam is balling, he excuses himself). Сам и Дани си споделят "shit look".
- Тирон обяснява, че Церсей ще изпрати помощ.
Санса:"Смятах, че ти си най-умният човек, когото някога съм срещала."
- Джон и Санса ще имат напрегнат разговор заради bend the knee-то.
- Tormund, Edd, and Beric намират някакви символи на стените на Черен замък (изглеждат като "Swirly chakra. Kinda like the one from season 1 ep. 1")
- Джон и Аря също ще имат емоционална прегръдка
- Дани и Аря не се засичат в първи епизод на едно място
- Хрътката и Аря - нищо ново в отношенията им
- Джендри и Аря "have a cute banter and that’s about it. He’s building a weapon of Arya’s design for her"
- Епизодът завършва с притигането на Джайм - Jaime arriving at Winterfell, locking eyes with Bran and then Brienne

- Дани кани Джон да язди дракон.
Това вече е пълен абсурд за всеки, чел книгите. Дано на екрана не изглежда толкова недодялано. И те си кръжат двамата.
She asks if he’d every ride a dragon. He asks how and she says by riding one and then they fly. Exactly the conversation they had.
This is before the Aegon reveal.
There are no tips, just him flying around.
They make out after but I’m sure they fucked too. 

So, I’ll just copy paste questions and answers, and comment on it. I’ll focus on things regarding Sansa, Jon, D*ny, Sam, and Arya because otherwise this will get too long.

Before we start I want to say one thing: sure, this reddit person could be lying. They could be using Friki’s leaks and embellish to get attention. However, someone on twitter attended and, while they won’t give out any spoilers, they said the episode pandered to the locals and hinted at something that gave me the impression Friki’s leaks are real. But they also said that Sansa, Arya, and Sam are the episode’s MVP.

So, with that in mind, remember that Mr_Freeloader (the redditor) is one person who’s answering people’s question from memory. Who they love/hate, what they’re interested in or not interested in, the things they pay attention to will absolutely affect what they remember and how they interpret all interactions.

Anyway, here we go!
NORTHERN INDEPENDENCE
Q: Lady Mormont’s Speech !??
A: About how he bent the knee after they all supported him to be king of the north. She felt betrayed.Says it all in front of Danyerys
Q: Hi ! Does Dany speak at all in this first encounter with the northern lords?
A: Nope. Just sits there
Q: Does she know about Viserion? That the Night King now has him?
A:  She does. Bran tells her in the beginning is the episode
Q: Is she really just passive and “blank faced” the whole time or do they focus on her expressions at all?
A: She looks uncomfortable and seems to be forcing herself to stay composed
Q: What does Jon do?
A:  Tyrion comes to rescue. Says if they survive it’ll be because of Jon

I’m thinking Bran tells D*ny about Viserion in the courtyard and that’s her pissed off face we saw in the second trailer.

The interesting thing here is: Jon does not defend Dænerys. Someone specifically asked what Jon does in this situation and apparently it’s Tyrion who comes to the rescue. So, if Jon loved D*ny so much and found her so amazing, why isn’t he defending her and telling everyone how wonderful she is? Why isn’t he making a passionate speech? Leaving Tyrion, of all people, to do the defending sounds like a very bad idea. No one likes him either! So is Jon just, what, nervous? Tongue-tied? Can’t think of anything nice to say about the conqueror? Doesn’t want to lie more than necessary?

This intrigues me a lot. I have to assume Jon said something, but apparently whatever he said can’t have been memorable. Friki said Jon keeps stressing that they need allies and that isn’t exactly high praise either. Should it really be this difficult for a man in love to defend the woman of his dreams?

J0NERYS & DRAGON RIDING
Q: How does Jon riding a Dragon play out? […] They make out afterwards like leaks said?
A: She asks if he’d every ride a dragon. He asks how and she says by riding one and then they fly. […] This is before the Aegon reveal. There are no tips, just him flying around. They make out after but I’m sure they fucked too
Q: They fucked out in the middle an icy winter tundra landscape?
A: Yeah I guess
Q: Do they kiss after dragon riding?
A: They kiss but I’m sure they fucked. Didn’t ride for miles just to kiss
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Q: Do Davos/Tyrion?Varys see Jon riding a dragon and what do they think of Jon/Dany relationship? Fear political implications?
A: They do see it from afar. No reaction aside from a gasp. Before Dany and Jon fly away they catch them talking to each other from afar. Tyrion, Varys and Davos talk about getting Dany and Jon together. Don’t know why it’s been talked about like it hasn’t happened already because Tyrion knows they fucked (end of season 7)
—–
Q:  What were they looking up at/what interrupted them?
A:  Both Dragons watching them […]  [Jon/Dany] were smiling? I don’t know but I think they were trying to make it look funny
—–
Q: Anything abut Dany’s pregnancy? No one knows?
A:  No pregnancy news but I hope she’s not having her nephew’s kids
—–
Q: How would you describe Jon and Danys relationship? And do they call eachother by their first names? Or still your grace and my lord?
A: They don’t have many scenes where really call each other at all. They seem to be comfortable around each other so there won’t be any “my lords” in private. Maybe in public for show
—–
Q: What’s it like for Jon getting on Rhaegal?
A:  He’s afraid at first but by the end of it he tells Danyerys she’s ruined horses for him.

So. Jon and D*ny kiss, but the sex seems to be this person’s assumption. Sometimes assumptions are correct, of course, but I don’t think they sound very convincing. Or at all, really. It sounds as if they’re thinking, “There’s no reason to fly for miles and miles just to share a kiss.” And that it’s their only reason for assuming sex happened, which hardly is convincing evidence.

Either way, D*ny’s had a really rocky start: she gets a frosty reception from Jon’s family; Bran “tactless” Stark tells her the NK has turned Viserion into a wight and uses him as a mount (and possibly that he took down the Wall because of it); the Northern lords are disappointed in D*ny and publicly criticize Jon for bending the knee; Jon doesn’t defend her.

A big part of political!Jon is that Jon feels forced to give his body to D*ny to keep her invested in the cause. And if she has this bad a start in the North, then why wouldn’t he kiss her if she wants it? Or even more–like sex–if it comes to that. Isn’t this exactly what we’ve argued that he’s been doing so far? He’ll need to comfort her and give her a reason to stay so that the ~ungrateful North~ doesn’t chase her away. And, as I said in a recent post, while I hate the idea of Jon riding dragons, Jon trying to bond with a dragon is a smart move on his part. He’s weakening her forces while strengthening his own. And if D*ny decides to leave and he’s bonded with R, they still have a dragon.

This all being said, we have to acknowledge that Jon absolutely could be head over heels. It’s always possible. Perhaps you find this likely or even a given. Or perhaps you’d rather believe it to manage expectations. If that’s the case, then do that. I’m not trying to convince people that I’m right; I’m only sharing my opinion on this and I could absolutely be wrong. For now, though, I personally don’t think Jon’s in love with her. But more about why farther down.

(It’s also interesting that Davos and Varys apparently don’t know about the epic boat bang. One would think Jon had at least told Davos.)

BURNING OF THE TARLYS
Q: Describe Dany and Jorahs scene in the library with Sam
A: Emotional AF. Sam with A+ acting. He asks for pardon for stealing books from the citadel and his father’s sword. She asks if his father is Randall. He says yes and then she confesses to executing him after his refusal to bend the knee. Sam is visibly upset and jokes to Dany about atleasy being able to go home to visit with Dickon as head of the house. Dany says he kills him. At this point Sam is balling, he excuses himself
Q: Is that the end of the scene or do Jorah and Dany share an oh shit look after or something?
A: They share an oh shit look but that’s about it
—–
Q:  How does Jon seem when he hears about the Tarlys?
A:  Shocked. Danyerys hasn’t told him about it
—–
Q: How does Sam’s conversation with Jon go when he tells Jon what Dany did to his family?
A: Sam asks him if he would’ve done that. Jon says no but he’s not king. Which leads to Sam saying he is a king - not the king of the north but the king of the seven kingdoms. At that point you don’t give a shit about Sams feelings because you want Jon to know who he is

What an odd scene this sounds like. Just the thought of D*ny telling him she killed his father and Sam saying he at least can visit Dickon only for D*ny to be all, YEAH ABOUT THAT. FUNNY STORY. lololol. I’m sure it’s played more seriously in the ep, but in my head this is just so odd and too funny.

Then we have Jon and Sam’s interaction. This should really raise some eyebrows. Does this sounds in character for Jon? The guy who was so disturbed and appalled by Stannis burning Mance that he mercy-killed Mance even though he knew he could get burned himself for it. Sure, Jon’s shocked, but why is there no mention of Jon comforting his best friend? Why isn’t he outraged? Worried? It’s these subdued reactions Jon has, how careful he is around and regarding D*ny, that really sets my spidey sense tingling. This smells political!Jon to me. This makes me think of s5 Jon who had to juggle the Night’s Watch, Stannis, and the Free Folk as well as his own dreams (like becoming Jon Stark, Lord of Winterfell). He has to play it cool, always. His loyalty might lie with the North, but he can’t afford antagonizing D*ny. He risked everything to get her North and he’s not gonna fuck it all up now. But by not fucking it up, he’s putting some serious strain on his relationship with his family and friends. And so I’m sure he doesn’t quite know how to handle things and that would explain why he seems so passive.

The alternative is that he’s so in love with D*ny that the news comes as a shock. That he actually never did see her for what she is and now he’s getting some really upsetting info and doesn’t know how to deal with it, but I don’t think that’s the case either. But I’ll explain why toward the end of the post.

MORE RE: PARENTAGE REVEAL
Q: Did Dany and Jon had a scene after the reveal ?
A: Nope
—–
Q: Does the Aegon reveal take place towards the end of the episode?
A: Yup. Second to last scene
—–
Q: Dying to know Jon’s reaction to the news! Confused? Upset? Grossed out? Disbelief?
A: He was in disbelief at first.Then said Danyerys is the true queen.Sam reminds him, he (Jon) bent the knee for his people so she will do the same for him. He seems to take that well
—–
Q: Does Dænerys find out about his parents in this episode?
A: She doesn’t have a clue

Lol at D*ny bending the knee to Jon. It’s a strange line, and I’m wondering whether Sam is trying to make a point. He knows why his father and brother died, so I’m sure he suspects D*ny would never kneel. But Jon did. They’re different and Sam wants to highlight this, because obviously he wants Jon to take the throne rather than the woman who murdered his father and baby brother.

I’m also intrigued about the lack of reaction from Jon here. It’s still very focused on D*ny. What about Jon’s feelings? How is he handling this? Perhaps it’s easier to just ignore what this means for him and his family, and focus on the mission. Or Mr_Freeloader simply didn’t remember all of Jon’s reactions. That’s always possible. I could see Jon just being in shock, though. It’s been an overwhelming day, to say the least.

JON & SANSA
Q: How pissed is Sansa?
A: Sansa doesn’t like Danyerys nor the fact that he bent the knee to her
—–
Q: Do people around them, outside varys, davos and tyrion, noticed they are a thing?
A: Sansa asks if he loved Danyerys. So I’m guessing others may have noticed as well
Q: Do they break away before he can answer? What was your impression?
A: It seemed like he was shying away from answering. Don’t recall what cut the tension
—–
Q: How would you describe Sansa’s expressions in that scene with Jon?
A: Confrontational. She was mad he bent the knee

Looking at this person’s answers, Jon and D*ny don’t seem to do any PDA’s. So Sansa has either picked up on subtleties or she’s thinking about the things LF told her before the trial.

The fact that Jon shies away from answering the question is another thing that sounds good for us pol!jon believers. If he loved D*ny, why wouldn’t he just say it? There’s no need to be coy about it–especially not if he’s spent the day flying dragons for all to witness. And if he found her so amazing and wonderful, wouldn’t he want Sansa to understand?

Think about Pride and Prejudice after Mr Darcy has asked Mr Bennet for Lizzie’s hand. Mr Bennet has his reservations to which Lizzie, who knows the truth about Darcy and all the good things he’s done for their family lately, defends him and assures her father that she’s in love and that Mr Darcy is a good man. She does it to calm her father, to make her father understand that she’s happy and in love and that she made a good decision. She does it because she wants her father–someone she loves dearly–to see Darcy for the wonderful man she knows he is. It’s important to her–as it should be.

If “They’ll all come to see you for what you are” is a positive line, then why doesn’t Jon do his best to HELP his family and his people to see D*ny for the amazing queen that he thinks she is?
But sure. Let’s say he doesn’t feel like admitting he’s in love. Then why doesn’t he just say he truly thinks D*ny is the best queen they could ever get? He doesn’t even have to bring romantic feelings into it. He can just gush about what a great queen she is and help ease the tension between his sister and his lover. He can defend his choice. He’s had no issues telling Sansa what he thinks when confronted so far, so what’s gives?

I think it was scullylikesscience who pointed out Jon never lied about Ygritte to the NW. He was honest about it. So, from the little information we have about this moment between Jon and Sansa, I think things are looking very good because Jon shying away from answering the question only really makes sense if he doesn’t love D*ny.

Making D*ny think he’s into her is a dangerous lie–one he knows he has to keep up until the Night King is dead. And the fewer people who know the truth, the more protected the lie is. He’s also protecting his family by keeping the truth to himself. It might also be rather difficult to admit that, yeah, I’ve had to fuck the conqueror to get her to come North and I hated every minute of it. Not a fun conversation to have.

And, of course, if Jon actually loves Sansa this will make the conversation even harder for him, which can cause him to go a bit non-verbal. He doesn’t want her to think he loves D, but he also can’t tell her the truth, so wtf is he supposed to do?

I’ve speculated before that it’s Jon learning the truth about his parentage that will make him come clean to his family. That learning Ned took this lie to his grave–a lie that caused a strain between him and his wife, who never got to know Ned never betrayed her before she died too; a lie that might never have been revealed if not for Bran–might make Jon understand he needs his family to know the truth before the same thing happens to them. Also, he might not be so keen on giving it to D*ny anymore after learning all of the news and needs his family to help him manage the situation..

(This scene between Jon and Sansa happens before Jon learns about the parentage, btw.)

JON & ARYA
Q: How did the Jon/Arya reunion feel?
A: Jon/Arya reunion was cute. It’s funny how nobody knows about the shit Arya went through and just assume she’s still the same person
Q: Was it at the weir wood
A: Yes
—–
Q: Which reunion was better Jon and Sansa’s or Jon and Arya’s?
A: Jon and Sansa. It was more emotional. They’re all in a better place when Jon and Arya meet
Q: wtf Jon and Sansa’s reunion was more emotional? Fucking D&D, man, we are waiting for Jon and Arya’s reunion since season 1 for fuck’s sake
A: I expected more as well but it was very short. He asks her if she every used Needle. She giggles saying “once or twice”. They’re two different people now
—–
Q: How does Arya feel about Jon bending the knee? Does she call him out for it?
A: There’s no mention of that. But she does say family needs to have each other’s backs at the weir wood

This makes me think we’ll get to see just how different Jon is with Arya than he is with Sansa. One he loves like a brother loves a sister, the other… Well.

This interaction does surprise me a bit, though, because I can’t help but wonder whether Arya will put on an act for now until she knows she can trust jon. It’s the giggling thing that makes me go hm… Sounds like fake Arya. I don’t think she’s at all happy about him bending the knee, so I’m sure this will come up again. Perhaps she just wants to observe him first.

Also, no mention of Jon asking Arya to talk to Sansa for him. So I’m not sure whether that was fake or whether this person just didn’t remember it.

To sum up:
Looking at this info–if it’s true–one wouldn’t be faulted for thinking Jon is genuinely in love with D*ny and that he’ll have the rug pulled out from under him when he comes back to Winterfell and learns about what she really is.

One huge reason as to why I don’t think this is the case: the botched s7 romance.
If they wanted to give Jon some serious man pain regarding falling deeply in love with a woman who turns out to be his aunt, someone who murdered his best friend’s father and brother, and someone his whole family and country hate, then they would’ve done their very best to sell the romance. They know how. I’m not gonna go into detail, because I’ve written enough meta about this topic. There are links on my blog. But D&D know how to do romance and they know how to emotionally manipulate. There’s no doubt in my mind they could’ve made j0nerys a whirlwind romance to really hurt Jon. And there’s no doubt in my mind it’s what they would’ve wanted to do had political!jon not been a thing.

Another reason: political!Jon is a too solid theory.
I’m not going to go into detail about that either; the meta is all there. Suffice to say it’s based on so much more than just Kit’s acting. It’s based on so many different aspects of the show, the story arcs, the characterizations, the narrative, the blocking, the ambiguous lines, and so on.

I feel like I’ve gotten a puzzle with no picture on the box. But I can tell from the pieces that it’s a landscape. I see the grass. I see the sky, the clouds, the trees, the birds. If s8 proves pol!jon is wrong, it’s would be like I add the last piece of the puzzle and look down on the finished work and find a car. Not a landscape. A car. It makes no sense.

A third reason: if D*ny’s about to finally fall, she needs to start on top.
She has her armies, her dragons, and her new boyfriend who seemingly loves and adores her, and whom her dragons accept–even to the point of Rhaegal letting Jon ride him! But then, little by little, she starts getting knocked down–but at least she has Jon! Her safety line! Her love! She needs to believe he is those things to first of all stay in the North and find herself in even more stressful situations, but also for the reveal to hurt that much more. Learning the truth about Jon, who he is and how he feels, will be a huge part of her fully embracing her inner dragon.

ALL THIS BEING SAID: I really want to stress that it’s absolutely possible Jon loves D*ny. I don’t think so, but I’ve not watched the episode. Perhaps, once I see how Jon acts around all these characters and these situations, once I hear the lines for myself, I’ll change my mind. Idk, it could happen. But going on the information I have combined with s7, Jon’s arc, D*ny’s arc, and where I think the show is heading, I still believe in political!Jon for now.

От какъв зор Дани ще кани Джон да яхва дракон? Много НЕ Дани... Ей тъй от нищото

При положение, че Данито не знае за произхода му, как ще го кани да яхва Регал?Да не говорим, че има опастност да и го отмъкне.😂Предполагам, че сега като изгуби един, ще внимава с другите два.Може Джон просто да се е возил на Дрогон зад нея.А иначе най-вероятно ще подкара другия по-нататък в епизодите.
Но пък ДиД, не винаги доизмислят всичко перфектно, така че може и такава сцена да има. 🤣🤣

Мисля, че всички очакваме Дани на единия дракон, Джон на другия. Санса също се очаква да не е доволна,
 а Аря да се зарадва на Джон. Интересно ще е само, че Джон ще разбере за произхода си още в първи епизод.

Снощи попаднах на подробности как Джон и Дани летяли и стигнали до една пещера и там той й казал - можем да останем тук 1000 години и никой да не ни намери и се целунали страстно.
Кадърът от трейлъра с драконите според някои явно значи, че Дани ще подарява на новия си любовник  романтична разходка с дракон. А удобно се пропуска, че двата дракона са насред кости и картината е меко казано зловеща.
После - имаме снимки на Дани в библиотеката - и веднага Сам и Дани говорят в библиотеката. Аз лично не мога да си представя тя сама да каже на когото и да е било за Рандил и Дикон, освен ако не го направи , за да заплаши.
Джайм се добира до Зимен хребет и първия човек, на когото се наръква, е Бран. И как става това? Вторият, естествено,  е Бриен.

Не би могла да го премълчи. Пък и Сам като си каже фамилията все някой ще изкоментира как Тарли са били изгорени. Нали го направи пред цялата войска на Тарли. Сам е сивия кардинал на Джон. Той беше в основата да го изберат за ЛК на стража и сега пак той ще е в основата да го обяват за крал на Седемте кралства.